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  If man evolved?

  by tornapart in

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  i know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.

  however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?

  surely there'd have been many billions by then?.

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  James Brown

  Sadly they are not Jokes, parents use them to "educate" their children. This is abuse!

  James you keep making statements without any evidence. You have asked us to view hours of unadultrated bullshit and have not taken the time to read a paper that will take 15 miutes max.

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  Cant leave the jokes on you.

  It's an airplane joke, the whole topic is over your head.

  If you could read and comprehend my post cant leave, you would have understood from the

  get go that I was not asking you to do anything.

  I don't know if I am or was a scientist or not, compared to a lot of people here I am.

  Tool makers deal with grinding steel to ten thousandths of a inch.

  And very small tolerance for error.

  The people here are dealing with incomprehensible out of the ball park tolerance for error.

  And think the are dealing with something great.
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  If man evolved?

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.

  however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?

  surely there'd have been many billions by then?.

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  James Brown

  The ice layers are counted two ways; by manual counting and also by running an electrical charge through a sample. The methods match up, so are not an example of circular reasoning. The ice core samples go back more than 100,000 years, so longer than a young earth that you are not going to try and defend, and not as long as the measurement of the half-life of elements, which you have a problem with.

  jgnat, I don't know anything about ice core samples. So far all I see you doing is telling me to read something you don't

  understand.

  Why do I want to read something you don't understand?

  If you can explain to me in a paragraph or two what you are talking about. I might look further into

  your suggested readings. If there was a scientific method that could show the earth was more than 100,000 years old

  and could stand up to scrutiny,

  I would have to change my understanding of the bible.

  Explain in in your own words in a words that your local newspaper would print in an article

  on the 5th grade level please.
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  If man evolved?

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.

  however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?

  surely there'd have been many billions by then?.

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  James Brown

  Why do say that? You keeping stating it, but give no explanation as to why......

  Cant leave you must not be reading this thread I have said repeatedly.

  When scientist know the date of a rock they can not date it they fail miserably.

  I don't believe they can date a rock when they don't know the date.

  But they think they can and since no one else knows the date, no one can prove them wrong.

  They date 5 year old lava rocks from mt St. Helens at 200 thousand years which is like

  195,000 percent error.

  Totally unacceptable.

  How can you believe them when they date something when we don't know how old it is.
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  If man evolved?

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.

  however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?

  surely there'd have been many billions by then?.

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  James brown: okay, but lets keep it in the thousands of years for now. Suppose the leaf has a c14 date of about 7000 years, and the scientists conclude this support c14 as a dating method. Is there any circularity involved?

  My point is nobody understands radiometric dating well enough to explain it in there own words.

  So I cant show anybody in their own words where the circular reasoning comes in.

  Ken Hovind says in his videos that very few if any understand how this radiometric dating works

  and the folks here are proving that to me.

  If there was a scientist here who could write on the 5th grade level which is the level most people read

  and comprehend at and explain their hypothesis, I could explain their circular reasoning.

  If you have a hypothesis explain it in one or 2 paragraphs.

  What cofty wrote to me does not explain how anybody determines the age of a rock.

  The answer should go something like.

  A person takes a rock to a laboratory and ask the technician to tell him how old he guesses the rock

  is. Then the technician takes a Geiger counter and counts the beeps and he is counting for x amount of beeps

  because the technician is guessing the rock is emitting a certain kind and amount of radiation because.....

  And why is he assuming the rock is emitting such and such an isotope.

  If he cant assume what the rock is emitting or where the rock came from he cant date the rock.

  And if he assumes where it came from he is using circular reasoning. He is calibrating his clock

  with his circular reasoning which is not scientific.
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  If man evolved?

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.

  however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?

  surely there'd have been many billions by then?.

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  James Brown

  Also, it is fine to question science and dating methods. But the default answer when things are unknown is not "God did it" and certainly, while it is fine for people to keep the idea of an intelligent force starting it all, it is abundantly clear that the Bible is totally unreliable for dates and historical accuracy. If you want to go to a default "We don't know" and say "I think an intelligence did it" maybe we could talk

  On the way out. I agree with you.
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  If man evolved?

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.

  however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?

  surely there'd have been many billions by then?.

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  James Brown

  James brown: so no circularity in that instance? Bohm as far as I can see, no cirular reasoning that you have revealed to me. As I say my problem is with the dating of rocks by radiation.
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  If man evolved?

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.

  however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?

  surely there'd have been many billions by then?.

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  Tell me how do you get a 4.5 billion year old earth from counting tree rings, ice cores and algae on the

  bottom of a lake?
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  If man evolved?

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.

  however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?

  surely there'd have been many billions by then?.

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  James Brown

  James brown: okay, suppose you have a lake. Each summer we can observe bacteria grow in the lake and when they die they fall to the bottom they form a layer. During the winter another layer form of a different color. Scientists drill a large hole in the lake and count the layers. At layer 7000 is a leaf. Whats the circular argument in arguing the leaf is about 7000 years old?

  I don't know if there is one 7000 years is a different argument than 4 billion years.

  I would need more information about the algae in the lake.

  But short time periods are not my contention at this time.

  My problem is more the dating of stones.
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  If man evolved?

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.

  however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?

  surely there'd have been many billions by then?.

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  James Brown

  Maybe Kent Hovinds videos are like an airplane joke to some people.
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  If man evolved?

  by tornapart in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.

  however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?

  surely there'd have been many billions by then?.

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  James Brown

  Jgnat from what I can see, you are camped out here 24/7.

  You are not concerned with burning daylight or wasting time that you can not get back.